On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 9:41 AM Gerd Möllmann wrote: > Stéphane Marks writes: > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 9:22 AM Gerd Möllmann > wrote: > > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > >> Ok to install, Eli? > > > > > > Maybe. I'm not sure I understand what are the conclusions from your > > > experience, which eventually needed to use tcutil. Are we sure this > > > is just a fluke and not a more fundamental problem? > > > > tccutil is a program that removes entries from a database containing > > application-specific privacy settings. For example, if an app wants to > > use the microphone or camera and such, it has to ask for permission, and > > the result of that lands in that TCC database. 'tcc reset' clears such > > entries. > > > > It's very possible that I denied Emacs access to the microphone in the > > past because I routinely do that :-). Also to the camera, of course, and > > such things. That may have been years ago, because I migrate my settings > > from machine to machine for a very long time. And if so, it would have > > been for a different dictation system because that whole thing changed > > some years ago, around macOS 14, not sure. > > > > Anyway, the current dictation system apparently doesn't require special > > privacy privileges, i.e. macOS doesn't ask for permission to use the > > microphone for the current incarnation of dictation. But dictation also > > doesn't work if one has "deny settings" in the TCC database. After > > clearing these entries in with `tccutil reset`, Emacs now works like any > > other app. > > > > So it seems at least. That's about what I can say. > > > > So far, the patch does not work on macOS 12.7.6 (the only version I use > across my Intel Macs). So something else is missing? > > Time for OCLP, given that Monterey not longer receives security updates? > > https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ > > (I've used OCLP very successfully on a MBP from 2013 until it finally > died a year ago :-(.) > Without knowing precisely what the issue is, it's hard to say that's a great suggestion? Previous versions of Emacs work fine on 12.7.6, so it's clearly not an O/S issue, but one with the API change to NSTextInputClient that's missing something else? All other apps I've tried seem to support dictation just fine.