On 3/21/25 7:48 PM, Ship Mints wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 19:44 Christopher Stacy wrote: > > > On 3/21/25 7:32 PM, Ship Mints wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 19:29 Christopher Stacy >> wrote: >> >> >> On 3/21/25 7:16 PM, Ship Mints wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 7:11 PM Christopher Stacy >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 3/21/25 6:32 PM, Ship Mints wrote: >>>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 6:16 PM Christopher Stacy >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, I forgot to say: This is all about fullscreen >>>> frames. >>>> >>>> You never use them. I use fullscreen exclusively, >>>> for Emacs. >>>> >>>> When I am in Emacs (which is all day every day), I >>>> just want Emacs in >>>> front of me. No menu bars, titlebars. or anything! >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Firefox does the stupid effect in full screen mode, >>>> too, turns out. >>>> So we can't look there for the answer. >>>> >>>> I don't think the correct solution is to change a >>>> setting on the OS, >>>> since railwaycat Emacs does the right thing without >>>> external adjustments. >>>> >>>> This bug is in fact what has kept me on his hacked >>>> Emacs all these >>>> years. But due to other bugs I have been forced to >>>> upgrade to Emacs 30, >>>> and I don't think he's going to update from 29. >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking at nsfns and nsterm 29.4 vs. 30.1 I don't see >>>> anything that stands out. >>>> >>>> Where did you get your 29.4 and 30.1 builds? >>> >>> The bugs forcing me to upgrade to 30.1 are entirely >>> unrelated to windowing. (Just other things that were >>> broken and recently fixed.) >>> >>> Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 >>> System Description:  macOS 12.7.6 >>> >>> Emacs 29 is the railwaycat version from Homebrew. >>> This has the behavior that I want (no effects). >>> brew tap railwaycat/emacsmacport >>> Which supposedly comes from: >>> https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport >>> GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin20.6.0, >>> Carbon Version 164 AppKit 2022.7) of 2023-08-08 >>> >>> Emacs 30.1 I got from: https://emacsformacosx.com/ >>> (I wish I knew who that entity is. I wonder if it has >>> malware.) >>> GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS >>> appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G9323)) of >>> 2025-02-24 >>> >>> Is there an easy way to tell what compiler options were >>> used on these builds? (Maybe some emacs command will >>> tell me?) >>> >>> It doesn't really take much effort to click around >>> Caldwell's site and find out more.  You should. >> >> What is a "Caldwell"? >> >> >> You'll see. > > Not if I don't have the URL. > I have no idea what you're talking about. > > > You gave it to us > https://emacsformacosx.com/ There is nothing on that web site pertaining to the Emacs bug I am reporting here.