On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 19:44 Christopher Stacy wrote: > > On 3/21/25 7:32 PM, Ship Mints wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 19:29 Christopher Stacy wrote: > >> >> On 3/21/25 7:16 PM, Ship Mints wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 7:11 PM Christopher Stacy >> wrote: >> >>> On 3/21/25 6:32 PM, Ship Mints wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 6:16 PM Christopher Stacy >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, I forgot to say: This is all about fullscreen frames. >>>> >>>> You never use them. I use fullscreen exclusively, for Emacs. >>>> >>>> When I am in Emacs (which is all day every day), I just want Emacs in >>>> front of me. No menu bars, titlebars. or anything! >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Firefox does the stupid effect in full screen mode, too, turns out. >>>> So we can't look there for the answer. >>>> >>>> I don't think the correct solution is to change a setting on the OS, >>>> since railwaycat Emacs does the right thing without external >>>> adjustments. >>>> >>>> This bug is in fact what has kept me on his hacked Emacs all these >>>> years. But due to other bugs I have been forced to upgrade to Emacs 30, >>>> and I don't think he's going to update from 29. >>>> >>> >>> Looking at nsfns and nsterm 29.4 vs. 30.1 I don't see anything that >>> stands out. >>> >>> Where did you get your 29.4 and 30.1 builds? >>> >>> The bugs forcing me to upgrade to 30.1 are entirely unrelated to >>> windowing. (Just other things that were broken and recently fixed.) >>> >>> Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 >>> System Description: macOS 12.7.6 >>> >>> Emacs 29 is the railwaycat version from Homebrew. >>> This has the behavior that I want (no effects). >>> brew tap railwaycat/emacsmacport >>> Which supposedly comes from: >>> https://github.com/railwaycat/homebrew-emacsmacport >>> GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin20.6.0, Carbon Version 164 >>> AppKit 2022.7) of 2023-08-08 >>> >>> Emacs 30.1 I got from: https://emacsformacosx.com/ >>> (I wish I knew who that entity is. I wonder if it has malware.) >>> GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 >>> Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G9323)) of 2025-02-24 >>> >>> Is there an easy way to tell what compiler options were used on these >>> builds? (Maybe some emacs command will tell me?) >>> >> It doesn't really take much effort to click around Caldwell's site and >> find out more. You should. >> >> What is a "Caldwell"? >> > > You'll see. > > Not if I don't have the URL. > I have no idea what you're talking about. > You gave it to us https://emacsformacosx.com/ >