Hello The attachment has this same text but might be easier to read than an email. I don't know if this is a NTFS-3g bug, or a coreutils cp bug, or neither, or both. I've asked the <linuxsa@linuxsa.org.au> list, which hasn't been able to help apart from confirming that someone else has the same problem. Problem Trying to cp -pu from an NTFS partition to an ext3 partition, the timestamps look OK, both with terminal ls -l and in nautilus (Date Modified and Date Accessed). The -u option says that the same file should not get copied again unless it's changed. But it does get copied again, and again Just to remind, -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps -u, --update copy only when the SOURCE file is newer than the destination file or when the destination file is missing So here's the longer version with too many details. For a couple of years I've been doing cp -puv -t $dest $source from one ext3 partition to another, no problem. But now I've copied my whole data disk to an NTFS partition on a USB portable hard drive. NTFS so I can use it at work. I want to copy files from this NTFS partition to an ext3 destination with timestamps intact, so that next week when I do the same thing, I only copy new or changed files. Demo* code is source=/media/data/aaa_S500_data/* # the NTFS partition dest='/home/garry/Desktop/junk' # a ext3 partition cp -puv -t $dest $source Demo* Really I look at 30GB and 20,000 files, that's why I don't want to be copying the same thing repeatedly. Here is a demo source directory garry@S500-lucid:~$ ls -l /media/data/aaa_S500_data/ total 64 -rwxrwxrwx 1 garry garry 38254 2010-12-02 06:20 elephantGreen.ico -rwxrwxrwx 1 garry garry 5978 2010-10-25 17:27 elephant.ico -rwxrwxrwx 1 garry garry 69 2010-11-30 05:55 readme.txt -rwxrwxrwx 1 garry garry 766 2002-10-14 04:27 wdlogo.ico -rwxrwxrwx 1 garry garry 5978 2010-10-25 17:27 wooly-mammoth.ico garry@S500-lucid:~$ So into an empty directory, '/home/garry/Desktop/junk' I copy garry@S500-lucid:~$ cp -puv -t '/home/garry/Desktop/junk' /media/data/aaa_S500_data/* `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/elephantGreen.ico' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/elephantGreen.ico' `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/elephant.ico' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/elephant.ico' `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/readme.txt' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/readme.txt' `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/wdlogo.ico' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/wdlogo.ico' `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/wooly-mammoth.ico' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/wooly-mammoth.ico' garry@S500-lucid:~$ Then without changing any files in $source, and if I do cp -puv -t '/home/garry/Desktop/junk' /media/data/aaa_S500_data/* again, nothing should be copied. But the two files that were created / altered on the NTFS partition _AFTER_ it got created with gparted & partimage get copied again. garry@S500-lucid:~$ cp -puv -t '/home/garry/Desktop/junk' /media/data/aaa_S500_data/* `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/elephantGreen.ico' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/elephantGreen.ico' `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/readme.txt' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/readme.txt' garry@S500-lucid:~$ and again garry@S500-lucid:~$ cp -puv -t $dest $source `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/elephantGreen.ico' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/elephantGreen.ico' `/media/data/aaa_S500_data/readme.txt' -> `/home/garry/Desktop/junk/readme.txt' here is my /etc/fstab proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 UUID=a49e1eb6-72bc-465d-9852-ce99403d303f / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 UUID=f13a83d6-fdfd-4dc7-b67c-a3d47c9fd727 none swap sw 0 0 UUID=07B3B28C580F4BEA /media/data ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 #UUID=07B3B28C580F4BEA /media/data ntfs-3g defaults,relatime,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 #UUID=07B3B28C580F4BEA /media/data ntfs defaults 0 1 UUID=c1841d07-7991-4e9c-8d35-969cb49ccf28 /media/toybox_data ext3 defaults 0 2 I tried touch --reference '/media/data/aaa_S500_data/newfile' '/home/garry/Desktop/junk/newfile' but that made no difference. What I'm using:- ubuntu 10.04 ntfs-3g 2010.3.6 #came with ubuntu ntfs-3g 2010.10.2 #installed today GNU Bash-4.1 cp in GNU coreutils 7.4 So is this a proper bug that I should put on launchpad? Looks like it to me, but I'm amazed if nobody else found it first. regards ------------------------------------ Garry Trethewey ------------------------------------