Stefan Kangas writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> How about increasing the timeout to 30 sec? > > Increasing it to 30 seconds sounds good to me. All right folks, here is a patch! Eli: I apologize if my words came across as passively aggressive. I did not mean to criticize Emacs defaults for the sake of it, like a troll would. Instead, I wanted to list the key defaults which caused problems, to my kids and also my friend. I am incredibly grateful for all your wisdom and guidance, Eli, both of which are much greater than what I have to offer. Again, I apologize for my wording. Stefan: Thank you for your nice words! It is crazy to _actually see_ how much difference the defaults make to someone who is just starting. Seeing that struggle is downright painful, especially if you know that Emacs could help them, and do it better than most programs. Both: Experts can easily customize Emacs, from helpful to minimal, but it does not work the other way around, so the infamous "newbies should customize ..." is problematic. Me, I think being helpful by default, instead of minimalist, makes more sense. Rudy