Thanks Dmitry,

I'll make another stab at a "new" backend, as suggested. I'll have a look
at the escape char thing, too, and see how I feel about dropping it. It
shouldn't take 18 months this time!

Best,

David.

On Fri, 15 Sept 2023, 00:55 Dmitry Gutov, <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> On 14/09/2023 19:11, David Fussner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the
> Swiss army knife of text editors wrote:
>
> > Once again, many thanks for the feedback. I'm still not certain I
> > agree about the risks involved in creating a new "thing" type, as it
> > really only appears in a small number of commands and then only in TeX
> > buffers, and generally I tried to design the code to keep out of the
> > way of anything outside of such buffers, but needless to say you see
> > further and more clearly than I can. I've been reviewing your comments
> > and my code, and have a few ideas and questions about how to go
> > forward. Though I haven't coded it yet, it's possible that the
> > simplest (and least intrusive) approach to follow would do something
> > like this:
>
> I agree that the risks are probably low, and my review stems from the
> general approach that doing global modifications to the environment can
> lead to problems. It might or might not happen in your case. If anything
> happens, though, the same modifications tend to make it harder to
> investigate, e.g. to find where a particular bit of behavior comes from.
> So the more local an implementation of a feature can be, is generally
> the better.
>
> But I'm no maintainer of tex-mode, and whatever choices are made here
> won't have effect outside of TeX, so if somebody wants to disagree with
> me, they're more than welcome to.
>
> > 1. Get rid of the new texsymbol "thing" and just use a buffer-local
> > value of find-tag-default-function and a rather more thoroughly
> > modified syntax table to control what "symbol" means, but _only_ in
> > the context of commands that use find-tag-default-function. I think
> > I'd lose the ability to change the behavior of
> > isearch-forward-thing-at-point and project-find-regexp, as I can't see
> > how to temporarily modify the syntax table there, though perhaps I'm
> > missing something.
>
> I'm suggesting this approach together with defining a "new" backend for
> TeX. Quotes because while it's going to have its own name, it's mostly
> going to perform forwarding to an existing backend (etags).
>
> This should make it practical for you to treat identifiers in
> xref-backend-definitions differently from that in
> xref-backend-references and xref-backend-apropos.
>
> If you define find-tag-default-function, you don't have to change the
> syntax table too: it might be easier to search around with a regexp.
>
> But for the new backend, you can also define the method
> xref-backend-identifier-at-point, where you would invoke the necessary
> bounds-of-thing logic. Then you won't need a change in
> find-tag-default-function.
>
> Either way, though, the major modes will need to set up
> xref-backend-functions instead (with add-hook). This could also be done
> in a minor mode, which you'd enable in any TeX-related major modes that
> you use.
>
> > 2. Simply eliminate the TeX escape character entirely, both from tag
> > names in a TAGS file and from any thing-at-point in a TeX buffer. I
> > think this would eliminate the need to distinguish among the various
> > xref commands in terms of whether they can or can't handle the escape
> > character. It would also eliminate the need for the new user option in
> > etags.c, as there would no longer be any code to cope with the escape
> > character when finding a (thing-at-point 'symbol). This is slightly
> > less powerful than the default I proposed, but there are probably many
> > use cases where it won't matter at all (though it would for my own,
> > possibly eccentric, use case).
>
> I wanted to ask whether including the backslash is important enough (it
> should not matter too much for disambiguation), but I figured it must
> be, otherwise you wouldn't go to all this effort.
>
> If not, it would simplify things a lot, though.
>