tag 20954 + notabug close 20954 thanks Maybe we did not understand. I don't want change old definitions but create new option for wc or echo, because this above examples not make logic sense, ( and it I want fix, however with sed is also fixed ) however now Iunderstand that they work correctly in accordance with accepted principles. # What is a text line? A text line by definition ends with a newline. This has been standardized to prevent # different implementations from implementing it differently and creating portability problems. Therefore # all standards compliant implementations must implement it in the same way to prevent portability # problems. " wc -l " in most examples working correct, because it " echo " give's " \n " and "wc -l" count correct. I mentioned about "wc", because for me build option "wc -a" for "echo" or "echo -m" this is not important. Maybe exist hope for example create option "m" to echo , " echo -m " which not will from new line, but first line if variable is empty and from new line if is not empty ? example: echo -m "" | wc -l 0 echo -m "e" | wc -l 1