> ((frame-position 0 . 0) (frame-outer-size 598 . 1184) (external-border-size 1 . 1) (title-height . 0) (menu-bar-external) (menu-bar-size 0 . 0) (tool-bar-external) (tool-bar-position . top) (tool-bar-size 596 . 36) (frame-inner-size 596 . 1146)) These values are as expected too. > If I resize the frame, the mode line and echo area reappears. If I just > split a window, the uppermost window gets a mode line, but there's still > no mode line or echo area in the bottom window. I see. Does the problem also appear when you turn the tool bar initially off? Do you use `desktop-save-mode'? If any of these is true, can you try the patch I proposed for Bug#19048 and which I attach here again. Thanks, martin