Maximize the first frame with its menu bar but without its tool bar. Switch on/off menu-bar-mode several times: the frame height grows. Here is the frame-pixel-height reported in *Messages* Menu-Bar mode enabled Menu-Bar mode disabled Menu-bar mode disabled. Use M-x menu-bar-mode to make the menu bar appear. Menu-Bar mode enabled 1180 (#o2234, #x49c, ?Ҝ) Menu-Bar mode disabled Menu-bar mode disabled. Use M-x menu-bar-mode to make the menu bar appear. 1207 (#o2267, #x4b7, ?ҷ) Menu-Bar mode enabled 1239 (#o2327, #x4d7, ?ӗ) Menu-Bar mode disabled Menu-bar mode disabled. Use M-x menu-bar-mode to make the menu bar appear. 1271 (#o2367, #x4f7, ?ӷ) Best regards, Fabrice Popineau In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.3 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2014-04-16 on ALIMANTADO Repository revision: 115831 fabrice.popineau@supelec.fr-20140416210032-k4fnr3beizg9nuy3 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.3.9600 Configured using: `configure --host=x86_64-w64-mingw32 --target=x86_64-w64-mingw32 --build=x86_64-w64-mingw32 --prefix=/c/Local/Emacs --libexecdir=/c/Local/Emacs/bin --datarootdir=/c/Local/Emacs --localstatedir=/c/Local/Emacs --sysconfdir=/c/Local/Emacs/etc --with-jpeg --with-xpm --with-png --with-tiff --with-rsvg --with-xml2 --with-gnutls 'CFLAGS=-I/mingw64/include -O3 -g' CPPFLAGS=-I/mingw64/include LDFLAGS=-L/mingw64/lib' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Messages Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x t o o l - M-x m e n u - b a m m o M-x M-p M-x M-p M-x M-p M-: ( f r a m e - p i x e l - h e i g h t ) M-x M-p M-: M-p M-x M-p M-: M-p M-x M-p M-: M-p C-x b M-x r e p o r Recent messages: Menu-bar mode disabled. Use M-x menu-bar-mode to make the menu bar appear. Menu-Bar mode enabled 1180 (#o2234, #x49c, ?Ҝ) Menu-Bar mode disabled Menu-bar mode disabled. Use M-x menu-bar-mode to make the menu bar appear. 1207 (#o2267, #x4b7, ?ҷ) Menu-Bar mode enabled 1239 (#o2327, #x4d7, ?ӗ) Menu-Bar mode disabled Menu-bar mode disabled. Use M-x menu-bar-mode to make the menu bar appear. 1271 (#o2367, #x4f7, ?ӷ) Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message dired format-spec rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils mule-util cus-start cus-load time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp w32-common-fns disp-table w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process w32notify w32 multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 85001 4886) (symbols 56 18628 0) (miscs 48 40 104) (strings 32 13345 3581) (string-bytes 1 318170) (vectors 16 9306) (vector-slots 8 369833 11038) (floats 8 57 182) (intervals 56 257 24) (buffers 960 12))