On 12/05/2013 03:28 PM, Stefano Lattarini wrote:
> tags 16057 notabug
> close 16057
> stop
> 
> On 12/05/2013 01:37 AM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
> Hello Behdad.
> 
>> Please advise how one is supposed to port their pre-1.13 test suite's
>> TESTS_ENVIRONMENT to 1.13.  Currently, in fontconfig and harfbuzz at least, we
>> cannot find a solution that works both with 1.11 and 1.13, and we cannot
>> require 1.13.
>>
> Why not? 1.13 is almost one year old now...

Believe it or not, some people still like to make their project work
with out-of-the-box tools.  In the case of libvirt, we strive to make
our Makefile.am work on the software available in CentOS 5 (hello,
patched automake 1.9) - and it is not a coincidence that this is also
the oldest version still actively supported by gnulib.  Just because
newer releases are now a year old, and in spite of the fact that
automake is fairly easy to self-install from a tarball, does NOT imply
that everyone is willing to self-install.  For good or for bad, there
are enough developers that think of the autotools as magic black boxes
that they are unwilling to use any version not shipped by their distro.

So, anything that upstream automake can do to document HOW to write a
Makefile.am that works on both modern AND ancient automake is appreciated.

> You might be able to keep 1.11 compatibility with some more-or-less
> hacky workaround, but I'm not going to try to work out the details,
> because I believe that is the wrong approach.  Automake is only
> required by developers, it's easy to install (and to install multiple
> versions in parallel, if different level of APIs compatibilities are
> needed), and only requires a very tiny amount of disk space.
> 
> I'm closing this bug as "works as intended".  Sorry.

I'm sorry to see this attitude; it is in the best interest as a
developer tool to specifically document how to write code that still
works with older versions.  While it is okay to encourage the use of
newer tools, we can't be so blind as to assume that people won't (or
even can't) upgrade as fast as we'd like.

Is AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE in 1.11 smart enough to handle m4 conditionals in
the set of options requested?  And if so, can that be coupled with the
use of m4_ifdef or some other m4 code to probe for a feature that only
exists in 1.13 or newer?  If so, try something along the lines of:

AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([1.11.1 gnits ...]m4_ifdef([1.13-witness], [ serial-tests])

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