It is being called from a program to copy text to a file as root. It's not running shell. I wanted to leave stderr for ERROR's and turn off statistics... Maybe Unix needs to add a STDSTAT on FD3? 1/2 :-) (i.e. there are a few instances where a stat line separate from and error line would be handy). Like running FLAC -- first they came out with a --silent to silence statistic... but then that was too much. So then they add a --totally-silent. And guess what! They still issue warnings about things that don't prevent correct encoding. If you have MS-metadata in your WAV's, flac will complain whether you tell it to ignore it or you don't. If you don't ignore it and try to explicitly include it as data in 'passthrough', it warns you that this option is experimental. If you don't use that option, it tells you it found such data and to use passthrough!!! What part of "--totally silent", especially after they already broke --silent, did they not understand? ARG!!! So back to dd... It's a unix util. Generally, quiet is beautiful. It means everything went well. That's generally been the unix motto (apart from deliberate silencing switches, which are intended to ignore error conditions). So why not make no xfer really not put out ANY xfer stats (as records in/out are xfer statistics)? Then add another option (or vice versa -- add another to shut both up, whatever), like nosummary, or noIO to skip the records I/O... Could even (in copious spare time, I'm sure, through in a format facility like 'DATE'... for the output format (like BASH does with HISTTIMEFORMAT): "%i records in, %I partial\n"%o records out, %O partial\n%b total bytes (%{HB}) in %{H:+%H hours, }%{M:+%M minutes, }%{S:+%S seconds}, %{XPS}" (speed/rate) But I shouldn't have to turn off all errors (close STDERR) just to shut up the chit-chat (silence is beautiful!) g.esp@free.fr wrote: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/foo count=1024 2>/dev/null || echo "dd fail" > Gilles >